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Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 15	Posted - 2014.09.29 07:10:00 - [1] - Quote Could not read a lot fo the stuff here so i skimmed most of it or skipped pages past page 3. Not sure about PVP........ But consider the atitude of ganking and ice fields...(since i believe that is the actual problem/insult being felt) I dont mine Ice so lets make a hypthetical ice field like the anoms..... 12 ice rocks....maybe 400 pieces of Ice each. Now lets say each procurer can get 5 pieces per cycle......... 40 ISboxer fleet = 200 pieces per cycle 1 non Isboxer = 5 pieces per cycle the 1 non ISboxer will get his 5....in the time it takes the Isboxer fleet to get its 195 per rock so 195x12 = 2,340 pieces of ice for the Isboxer fleet and The non isboxer will get 60 pieces of ice. then have to wait another 4 hrs for the ice field to spawn again.............. I see a problem with this as the non Isboxers are gaining ice/isk much more slowly to the ISboxer fleet idea. Eventually they are forced to give up to find other ways to plex or run their industry....as in fuel block production...or collecting fuel for Jump drives. This i believe it the heart of the matter for those that truly wish to ban ISboxer.....because it is an unfair advantage.
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 16	Posted - 2014.09.29 18:30:00 - [2] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Max Deveron wrote: I see a problem with this as the non Isboxers are gaining ice/isk much more slowly to the ISboxer fleet idea. Eventually they are forced to give up to find other ways to plex or run their industry....as in fuel block production...or collecting fuel for Jump drives. This i believe it the heart of the matter for those that truly wish to ban ISboxer.....because it is an unfair advantage. Explain how each single pilot is unfairly gaining more product per cycle than other characters. Please dont quote me and try to interject something into my mouth that i did not say....it was just a theory upon why some might want to ban ISboxer. but anyway heres go....lets expan on this theory and then after this take your simply mind pull out a calculator and do the work yourself. spawn = every 4 hrs. DT-DT = roughly 24 hrs expect on major patch days...then its more like 23.5 to23.75 hrs So 6 spawns per day x 2,340 = 14,040 (ISboxer) 6 Spawns per day x 60 = 360 (the single guy) both assuming this all they do every day all day long 14,040x30 days = 421,200 360 x 30 = 10,800 now lets say avg price is 275,000 isk per piece 421,200x275,000= 115,830,000,000 ISK or 147.55 plex (figured at 785 million isk per plex) 10,800 x 275,000 = 2,970,000,000 or 3.783 plex now lets take a 3 month(yearly qtr) into account 147.55 x 3 = 442.65 - (40x3) = 322.65 3.783x3 = 11.349 - 3 = 8.349 at this rate you can see the difference is astounding in terms of wealth.... now expand on the problem even more...... Maybe like most of them the single pilot doesnt have all day nor every day to mine the ice...... so on avg its probably more like 5-15 pieces of ice per day 3 times a week because competing with the ISboxer fleet is too difficult. so lets take 10x3 = 30 x 10 = 300 pieces of ice 275,000 x 300 = 82,500,000..........oh wow not even enough to plex......the first month is a bust....2 weeks into the 2nd month the non-ISboxer says screw this i have to do something else because i can no longer make ISK or keep my business operating this way. Botting and RMT was the measure of having botting fleets mining all day every day..........allowing ISboxer gives the Botters a different and legit way to do the same thing without really having to change how they conduct RMT bussiness. They still push the little guy whom is the one that wants to play a game.....not trying to make RL money off it.
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 16	Posted - 2014.09.30 22:00:00 - [3] - Quote sigh...im sorry Par'gellen....... But again like i said to the last guy at one point............ what i wrote......IS A THEORY BASED SCENARIO ON WHY THE REASONING BEHIND THOSE THAT WISH ISBOXER TO BE BANNED. and thats it............ I mean FFS people, i dont care about your ice, i dont care about your pvp(other than the fact it makes me ISK every time you blow stuff up). At one point i saw an underlying question to explain the reasons for banning ISboxer..... So i answered the question by pointing out how the pro-banners are thinking. Other than that...it means squat. And if your point out the fact of being apart from fleet ops....not being part of a corp or at least a community thing and just wanking off in the corner by yourself..........well you deserve to be blown up, you deserve to have no friends in EvE, you deserve to be ganked.....maybe you should go back to WoW or whatever other game you came from because this is not the place for you. And i have FC'd before, and your explanation of that is pretty apt....up till the point you start kicking your mewling peeps out or shooting them yourself for being a carebear too much.
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 16	Posted - 2014.09.30 22:15:00 - [4] - Quote Par'Gellen wrote: All ISBoxing does is eliminate the derp (somewhat) from fleet ops. Anyone that has ever FC'd can tell you that attempting to coordinate a group of Eve players is like trying to herd cats into the back of a moving pickup truck. Also I ISBox quite often and have never participated in RMT nor will I. So leave me out of your ridiculous "ISBoxers = RMT" bullcrap. Thanks. Wasn't an apology....as what i got from this part of your reply was that you do not like playing as fully valued member of the community but would rather simply supercede others that may or may not be able to compete with you. it seems you were saying....'i dont a corp', 'i dont need an alliance', and 'have no reason to be concerned with overall health of the game in general' and so my response was not an apology.....but the parts directed at you....were basically yeah STFU your not worth much more than the KM someone gets for taking out your ships....not because you ISbox...but because your attitude with it is indifferent to the long term health of the community
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 17	Posted - 2014.10.01 21:58:00 - [5] - Quote See, Soldarius gets what i was trying to portray. Where however Par'gellen you are like the player he was talking about....like the type i heard one of my brothers talking about with COD games....the twitch lag cheaters and such....the ones that think they are so great and doing nothing wrong.....but level the playing field.....and you are no better than the next guy in the belt.

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